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A while ago there was a armoured 164 for sale in Germany.I didn't pay much attention to it since the car looked all regular and I had never heard of an armoured version.

When you look in Eper, you can see I was wrong in my thoughts back than, there was an armoured version of the 164 !

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Springs, rubbers and strutstrut are diffent for a version for a version that was called "armoured".

No idea if this version was only made for judges and prosecutors in Italy (very unhealthy jobs in those days) or that they had a wider spread market (i.e.policecars) I can recall the german advertisement talked about more than 3000 kgs kerbweight.That means serious weightgain for a first series 3V6.
If you want to make a car bullitproof, you have to make a cocoon around the people inside.

Anyone who has more info about these cars?
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Wow... Never knew that! I'm curious to any more info!
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I tried to get some more info via Eper; so far all I found was the optionnumber for an armoured vehicle is 970.This number can be found by the jack and speederwrench but not at bodyparts (doors, windows, floor, roof.)

Maybe Alfaheida can ask for some info at AlfaStorico where he has an entrance.
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I will send Marco Fazio an email regarding this vehicle, maybe he has some info about it. :wink:
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I found one, I'm not sure if this is the one I've seen before but it's an armoured one; Blindata in Italian.
Although it has German licenceplates, it's for sale in Italy.

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-- Price –
Prezzo : 4.900 euro
Anno immatr. : 1990
Chilometraggio : 100.000 - 109.999
Residence
Comune dove si trova : Giugliano in campania
Cambio : Manuale
Alimentazione : Benzina
Tipologia : Berlina

-- Moto --
ottime condizioni generali
3000 v6
full optional
ex dirigente peroni
vendo x affare
auto blindata
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It appears that Zagato together with the security company Tonali was conducting those conversions to 'Blindata's' for the Alfetta, Sei and 90's.

I cannot find any info on the 164's but I can imagine that this was done by the same companies.
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Unfortunatly, even at the Centro Documentazione they have no info about the Blindata.
So the search goes on......
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Cool.

I want one!
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alfa164superwebmaster said:
Cool.

I want one!
got one of the armoured Alfettas into my workshop a couple of years ago for some work. It was from the Italian consulate here.
I pulled it up onto my 2 post lift (max.3000kg).
I started lifting the car and noticed the lift was making a strange groaning noise.
Puzzled I checked everything except the car and giving it a clean bill of health, continued to lift the car.

Once it was up and the locks had engaged,I got under neath and in doing so knocked my head on the floor pan.
It was like running into an army tank!!The floor was armoured and solid as a rock! How thick it was I dont know but then I started noticing the 5 cm thick glass and other little things..
I then realized why my lift had groaned like that..The car must have weighed one heck of a lot.
Driving it later it handled like a top heavy bus as well. It had a little ts 2.0l engine and was definitly not nimble..In fact it was very,very heavy......

This is a story about an Alfetta, I fear the same goes up for a 164 "Blindata"
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I found some information that there where 50 164 Blindata versions manufactured, they where sold in Italy.
7 with the 2.0 engine.
43 with the 3.0 engine.
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lol with that weight, the last i'm afraid of, is getting killed by mafia, it's more a manhunt by taxpeople in holland i would be afraid of :P
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wilco wrote:lol with that weight, the last i'm afraid of, is getting killed by mafia, it's more a manhunt by taxpeople in holland i would be afraid of :P
Indeed Wilco, our goverment is looking forward to see these kind of cars driving in Holland, they won't become a classic car to drive tax free.

Probably mostly sold in Napoli :D
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With only a 2 liter engine, it would take forever to gain some speed !
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164 TD wrote:With only a 2 liter engine, it would take forever to gain some speed !
:D it sure would but who cares?? they can't hit you it's plated.
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I have the service book for the "blindata".
Those versions are called "versioni protette" (protected versions).
Many things are different from the regular ones.
I'll scan it, but I don't know when :)
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Interesting info!

Cannot wait to see the servicemanual!

Is the servicemanual by Alfa or by a third party?
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Terrific what the internet (and this website) can collect as data! I hope you can find the time to do the scans.
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All,

Two weeks ago i received from Italy a "Istruzione per le riparazione" and a manual for the Supension for the Versioni Protette aka Blindata.
Thanks to Jacopo..

I made copy's of it and with pain in my heart i had to send it back.
I have it on my HDD, this information will be published later i need to watermark it first.

The search for Blindata info, folders, cars will go on... it will be a small chance to find one.

so far my part of some information.
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Great research; looking forward to seeing that on the site.
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Thanks to one of our italian visitors ,we now have the complete "add on" manual for the 164 blindata/armoured vehicles.


Here a sneak preview about what will be online very soon in our downloadsection.

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The kerb weight for the blindatas

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Exteriour mike to talk with the outside without opening doors or windows.

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Look at the "plugs" in the doors that can be removed to stick the guns out.(one on each door !) and the extra pins to secure the doors.

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Multilayer bulletproof windshield

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JB Thank you very much for sending it to Hendrik! It means alot to us.
Really valuable info wich we now can share with al our members.

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Normal roofload for a 164 is 80 kgs; for a Blindata it is around 2100 kgs!!

If you have a sharper look, you see that the windows cannot be opened; they are fixed in position by a rod.
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This is an interesting find! Love the external microphone! And is there a small door opening for (possibly) paying toll fees etc.?

As to the roof load of 2 tons. Surely they mean "Max. allowed load", no? That would mean that 2090 Kg - 1770 Kg = 320 Kg max. with which you can load the car (no wonder it was only meant for max. 4 people).

So, if the standard body weight of a TS is 1370 Kg the body armour adds 400 Kg to the kerb weight.
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Regarding the roofload; I compared it with the product bulletin of the first series Turbo.

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all very interesting :D
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